April 20 2014, 6pm
Look if you make fantasy/ steampunk/ any kind of alt historical universe why the hell is adding queer people (let alone people of color) in your universe that far fetched??? Historical accuracy is just a useless term used by people who are homophobic. Just admit it and learn and grow thats all you need to do.
Historical accuracy is just a useless term used by people who are homophobic. That has got to be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard. You are the one that need to grow up and realize that homophobia and historical accuracy are not mutually exclusive.
Just because I’m writing a story that takes place in 1888 Victorian Philadelphia that’s vaguely steampunk/art nouveau doesn’t mean I have to change social standards for the time period. I’m allowed to write what I want, when I want, and how I want it. There are only so many things I can change about the time period before it becomes this skewed world that doesn’t even look like what I started out with.
Also, before you go spouting that I’m homophobic, let me tell you something sweet-cheeks. I have gay characters in numerous other stories. I wrote a short story about an alien princess who falls in love with an earth girl. I have a gay lawyer whom my main male character in another story crushes on. I read slash, I write slash, I fucking love slash.
So don’t you fucking dare have the audacity to call me homophobic just because I have writing rules for one story.
April 20 2014, 2pm
Presenting a universe in which LGBTQIAP+ people do not exist is heteronormative and queerphobic. Every time. It is a problem.
It is a flaw.
Okay, no it is not. I have written stories where my characters never encounter any LGBTQIAP…
"In 1885 the Criminal Law Amendment Bill was passed. It was originally designed for the protection of women and girls, the suppression of brothels and other purposes. But after the bill had been given an unopposed second reading, an amendment was introduced by a radical Member of Parliament, Henry Labouchere. In it he proposed that the issue of homsexuality be addressed as well, that ALL homosexual acts and not only sodomy -whether in private or in public - be made an offense.
Labouchere’s amendment - the eleventh clause of the Criminal Law Amendment Act - was adopted. It has been argued that because the amendment was adopted, without due consideration, at the end of a long night’s sitting, its full implications were not appreciated. True or not, the bill provided that any male person who, in public or in private, commits, or is party to the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission of any male person of any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour and being convicted thereof shall be liable at the discretion of the court to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.
In other words, the amendment criminialized ALL homosexual acts, leaving Britain as one of the few European countries in which even mutual masturbation by adult men in the privacy of their own homes was illegal. France, for instance, had decrimanlised homsexual acts between consenting adults almost a century earlier.
The Labouchere amendment, sometimes known as the ‘Blackmailer’s Charter’ led to the growth of hostility towards homosexuals and an increase in prosecutions. It remained on the statute books until 1967.”
I’m guessing that if we’re going to have a high and mighty contest that I don’t have to explain the difference between Queer Literature and Historical Accuracy. YES I WANT TO COMPLETELY NEGLECT THE FACT THAT UP UNTIL THE LATE SIXTIES IT WAS A PUNISHABLE CRIME TO BE GAY IN PUBLIC. I have nothing against people who want to write an alternate universe where being Homosexual in the Victorian Era was a-ok, but I’m not writing that. I’m writing something that, while it takes place in a vaguely steampunk alternate 1888, I want to stick with some specifications. Yes my main character admits to having a fling while he was in college with another man once. But he never admits this to anyone besides his wife and his best friend because he didn’t want his reputation and life completely ruined, much less risking ending up in jail. I’m not going to stroke the ego of the LGBT community by portraying it ‘positively’ in an era where it was a punishable crime. I have other stories that have gay characters, sure, but not this one, or it has a very, very limited set. From what I understand, the most beneficial occupation for a gay male in that time period was prostitution. So allow me again to curtly point out that just because you studied queer lit doesn’t mean I have to wallow in it as well. I am not writing queer lit. I am writing a Sherlock-holmes esque series of stories that may or may not venture into the homosexual underworld that emerged during that time period, but otherwise, I have no reason to put in what I don’t want too.